Thursday, March 8, 2012

A subject that I've been trying to stay away from...

Now I know that with a subject title like that, one would think that I don't really have an idea on the subject that I'm about to talk about, or that I really just don't want to mention it because I might end up ticking people off. Well I don't mind talking about it since out side of this Blog I actually talk about it quite a bit, but I also don't like to impose my views on someone else, however I think that talking about it also does that so I'm at a bit of a loss when it comes right down to it, so I figured that I would just talk about it anyway.
 
It's actually two kinds of topics here, one is dealing with religion, while the other is dealing with gay rights and how religion tramples on those rights, and to let people know right off the bat I'm not gay personally but I do know people that are, and when I look at it from their point of view, I can actually understand what they're going through.
 
Now when it comes to organized religion, it's gotten completely out of hand on so many fronts, from trying to "save" souls, to getting into an area that has brought more governments down than any war ever could have (in fact governments have survived wars compared to this), and that's politics.
 
Religion needs to keep out of government and that's why we happen to have the separation of church and state within the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." So even though it doesn't come right out and actually say it, it's there and I know that at the current time that the Christen right wing nut cases that are out there are trying to say that since it doesn't actually say that it's in there that it doesn't exsist, guess what it was a subtle thing that they're now trying to get rid of completely. This is what is written on Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia web site: "Establishment of religion
Main article: Establishment Clause

The establishment clause is "[t]he First Amendment provision that prohibits the federal and state governments from establishing an official religion, or from favoring or disfavoring one view of religion over another."[1]

Originally, the First Amendment applied only to the federal government. A number of the states effectively had established churches when the First Amendment was ratified, with some remaining into the early nineteenth century.

Subsequently, Everson v. Board of Education (1947) incorporated the Establishment Clause (i.e., made it apply against the states). However, it was not until the middle to late twentieth century that the Supreme Court began to interpret the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses in such a manner as to restrict the promotion of religion by the states. In the Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet, 512 U.S. 687 (1994), Justice David Souter, writing for the majority, concluded that "government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion."[2]

Separationists

Everson used the metaphor of a wall of separation between church and state, derived from the correspondence of President Thomas Jefferson. It had been long established in the decisions of the Supreme Court, beginning with Reynolds v. United States from 1879, when the Court reviewed the history of the early Republic in deciding the extent of the liberties of Mormons. Chief Justice Morrison Waite, who consulted the historian George Bancroft, also discussed at some length the Memorial against Religious Assessments by James Madison, who drafted the First Amendment; Madison used the metaphor of a "great barrier."[3]

Justice Hugo Black adopted Jefferson's words in the voice of the Court, and concluded that "government must be neutral among religions and nonreligion: it cannot promote, endorse, or fund religion or religious institutions."[4] The Court has affirmed it often, with majority, but not unanimous, support. Warren Nord, in Does God Make a Difference?, characterized the general tendency of the dissents as a weaker reading of the First Amendment; the dissents tend to be "less concerned about the dangers of establishment and less concerned to protect free exercise rights, particularly of religious minorities."[5]

Beginning with the Everson decision itself, which permitted New Jersey school boards to pay for transportation to parochial schools, the Court has used various tests to determine when the wall of separation has been breached. The Everson decision laid down the test that establishment existed when aid was given to religion, but that the transportation was justifiable because the benefit to the children was more important. In the school prayer cases of the early 1960s, (Engel v. Vitale and School District of Abington Township v. Schempp), aid seemed irrelevant; the Court ruled on the basis that a legitimate action both served a secular purpose and did not primarily assist religion. In Walz v. Tax Commission, the Court ruled that a legitimate action could not entangle government with religion; in Lemon v. Kurtzman, these points were combined, declaring that an action was not establishment if

  1. the statute (or practice) has a secular purpose;
  2. its principal or primary effect neither advances nor inhibits religion; and
  3. it does not foster an excessive government entanglement with religion.

This Lemon test has been criticized by Justices and legal scholars, but it remains the predominant means by which the Court enforces the Establishment Clause.[6] In Agostini v. Felton, the entanglement prong of the Lemon test was demoted to simply being a factor in determining the effect of the challenged statute or practice.[7] In Zelman v. Simmons-Harris, the opinion of the Court considered secular purpose and the absence of primary effect; a concurring opinion saw both cases as having treated entanglement as part of the primary purpose test.[6]

Accommodationists

Accommodationists, on the other hand, read the Establishment Clause as prohibiting the Congress or any state from declaring an official religion or preferring one to another, but hold that laws do not have to be shorn of morality and history to be declared constitutional.[8] As a result, they apply the Lemon Test only selectively, holding Justice Douglas' statement in Zorach v. Clauson, "[w]e are a religious people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being" 343 U.S. 306 (1952).[8][9]

As such, for many conservatives, the Establishment Clause solely prevents the establishing of a state church, not from publicly acknowledging God and "developing policies that encourage general religious beliefs that do not favor a particular sect and are consistent with the secular government's goals."[10][11]"

Now I know that there's a lot to read there, but it's actually well worth it considering all of the stupidity that is trying to be forced onto us these days. However with religion right now trying to get into just about everything, it reminds me of just about everything that the Catholic Church had done back in the day when it came to what was going on around the world. They wanted to control everything, and it ended up hurting most of the world when they did that, the thing was that they didn't mind being in control of a world that really didn't mind being simple minded robots. These days however, that time is long gone and there's people that are actually thinking for themselves these days. (Yes I've got a major thing against the Catholic organization considering all of the hypocritical things that they've talked about and done.)

Now on the side of gay rights, that's been something that religion has been trying to get killed for ages, but just like they want to say and think that evolution doesn't exsist, I hate to say it but to learn and expand is evolution. So to say that gays shouldn't have any rights, try putting them in your shoes and see how they happen to live. Plus they say that being gay is an option and that people don't have to be gay, that's another lie. Being gay is hard wired into those that are gay, and they are that way from birth and nothing can change that ever, no matter what people say.

Now I know that I've gone more on anti religion (that's because I have a relationship and not religion, I hate religion period and always will) than I did on gay rights, but that's mostly because of my lack of time currently. However I will eventually get back to this topic and more later, but this is at least a start here.

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Felix Sanchez
Sign Dancer, Liberty Tax Fresno, CA
Alhambra High School
Class of '97
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